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03.22.06 | CAIR's Ahmed Bedier Spotlight

Posted in News, Islam at 10:59 pm by Danya

Here are some linkworthy excerpts from our local CAIR Rep's blog:

On the Schnitt Show about the Afghani Apostacy Case of AbdulRahman


Why is this Afghani Man on Trial?

Note: I am not necessarily endorsing any of the above as I have not formulated an opinion on it yet, but I'm just passing on the word



1. Jenn said,
March 23, 2006 at 1:32 pm · Edit

You still going to Jordan over the summer? When are the dates? June-August? Did they already accept you?

2. fahad said,
March 24, 2006 at 12:17 am · Edit

well, I DO have an opinion. Mr. Bedier is spot on. There is no Caliphate, and nobody is commmitting treason. What is occurring in Afghanistan is nothing more than mob rule and vigilante justice.

3. Shukri said,
March 24, 2006 at 10:03 pm · Edit

On Apostasy
RE: Apostasy and hypocrisy


03.14.06 | People

Posted in Society, Daily Ramblings at 8:55 am by Danya

Sometimes people… *sigh*

Anyways, yesterday I went to get my car serviced in Tampa. Then I just studied a bit then went off to a Tampa CAIR executive meeting. We are going to set up a Muslim Speakers Bureu based off Islamic Networking Group based in San Francisco, California. It should be fun. Muslims need to learn how to speak and need to know when to say and how to say it. It's ridiculous sometimes. In a dialogue between groups you'll hear all of a sudden that Israel is a horrible nation as though it were revelent to the topic at hand. Or sometimes Muslims come in with this we-are-going-to-convert-you-because-Islam-is-the-solution-to-everything-and-you-are-the-suck mentality. These types of things. We need to train Muslims to be diplomatic and tactful so let's see how it goes.


02.19.06 | Piksharz!!

Posted in Uncategorized at 10:45 pm by Danya

Today, I attended a vigil in honor of freeing Dr. Sami al-Arian. What do we want?! JUSTICE! When do we want it?! NOW!

One of the speakers [CAIR's Ahmed Bedier pictured with hands clasped]:

Pault Findley, former congressman and author of Silent No More and They Dare to Speak Out:

A cool statue- or something:

More [CAIR's Ahmed Bedier pictured behind speaker and next to "END THE WITCH HUNT" sign]:

More [CAIR's Ahmed Bedier pictured under "WHOM SHALL WE HATE NEXT?" sign... Arrow pointing to Bedier]:


I'm also missing Minara
I know this was back in Novembre, but I truly enjoyed working with the folks form Zaytuna in the organization of this *faint*

Aww… the volunteers bought me a card :

And signed it! Page One:

Page Two:



1. anonymous said,
February 19, 2006 at 10:58 pm · Edit

whoaa, shaykh hamza, imam zaid, subhanallah!!!

2. Jenn said,
February 19, 2006 at 11:11 pm · Edit

I'll give $100 bucks to anyone who can find me in one of those pictures.
BTW I made that "Stop the Witch Hunt" sign that the guys is holding…woohoo…what a fine looking sign.

3. Danya said,
February 19, 2006 at 11:22 pm · Edit

You are not in any of the pictures You were standing to the right side of the pictures Now give me moola… oh yes, and that was a beautiful sign masha'Allah masha'Allah

4. Jenn said,
February 19, 2006 at 11:29 pm · Edit

MAAAAAAAAAAN….i wanted people to keep guessing haha…that was the point, u didnt find me cause i wasnt in the pic…so no money for anyone! muahahahahaha

5. fahad said,
February 20, 2006 at 3:16 pm · Edit

Yeah, FIGHT THE POWER!!! :pumpsfistintheair:



Posted in Announcements, Politics, Islam at 12:45 pm by Danya

He was tried, he was acquitted, and still remains in jail. >:O

Keynote speaker: Paul Findley, former U.S. Congressman
2:00 p.m., Sunday, February 19, 2006
Orient Road Jail
1201 Orient Road, Tampa

February 20, 2006 marks the 3rd anniversary of Dr. Sami Al-Arian's arrest. This will make 3 years of solitary confinement for an innocent man. We will join the National Defense Committee in front of the Orient Road Jail the day before the anniversary for a press conference and rally. This is a change from the original notice I sent. Please mark your calendars and spread the word.

Contact: Mel Underbakke
Friends of Human Rights



1. S. said,
February 16, 2006 at 3:59 pm · Edit

Why are they keeping him in jail if he has been found innocent?
What is wrong with the people!?
SubhanAllah. I'll make serious duah.

2. Jenn said,
February 16, 2006 at 4:12 pm · Edit

He was not found innocent and was not found guilty.

They acquitted him on some charges and others they deadlocked. Acquittal does not mean they are found innocent. It just means they could not be proven without a reasonable doubt either way.


I am not saying I support the gov't but just wanted to state that.

The point is that the gov't should have let him go under normal circumstances but instead are holding on to him because they are TRYING to have another trial to for the same thing. Our argument is: if you couldn't prove it beyond a reasonable doubt the first time why try it again? Well the answer to that is that many Americans see it as a failure of the gov't and so they have a "reputation" to uphold on being the big bad mighty US who fights "terrorists." Dr. Sami is the symbolic representation of domestic terrorism according to the gov't, so if they convict him then they look like they are protecting the homeland.

3. Danya said,
February 16, 2006 at 4:56 pm · Edit

I thought he was found innocent on most counts, which were the most important ones like conspiring with the PIJ and funding suicide attacks. Either way, he should not be in jail. I apologize for the misinformation, I'll fix that…

4. Jenn said,
February 16, 2006 at 5:54 pm · Edit

Danya, maybe I am wrong…double check me.

5. Danya said,
February 16, 2006 at 6:09 pm · Edit

Nah, you're right. Hatem Fariz though was found not guilty on all 24 counts.

6. Ayesha said,
February 16, 2006 at 6:53 pm · Edit

No, Hammoudeh and Ballout were found not guilty on all their charges. Fariz & Al-Arian were found not guilty on like half of their counts but deadlocked on the rest and so the gov't has the option of retrying them or dropping the charges, and so far it seems that the gov't hasn't learned their lesson and is digging an even deeper hole for itself by pursuing the retrial.


02.11.06 | Islamic Schools

Posted in School, Islam, Society at 5:46 pm by Danya

As many Muslims in the US have, I went to an Islamic school for a good amount of years in my life. I remember getting the impression that if you went to Islamic school you were saved and if you did not go, you were doomed to hell. If you went to public school you would turn into a kafir and do many haram things. Ya but like, do you guys know that there is pleeeenty of haram stuff going on in Islamic schools?

I went to Islamic school from about 3-8 grade with the exception of one of those years. My observations are strictly from my experience but I want to know other people's experiences as well. Anyways, for high school, my parents took me out and enrolled me into the International Baccalaureate program in a public school. Many were highly critical of my parents' pulling me out of Islamic school. They were, for some reason, convinced that I would take my hijab off, start to date boys, and God knows what else.

In the Islamic school I went to, the secular knowledge is not good enough. Even the religious education is terrible. For creed/aqida (words that were not even used) we never learned anything beyond the "Six pillars of faith". For jurisprudence/fiqh (again, words that were not used) we learned to make wudu' (ablution) every year and every once in awhile taught the basics of prayer. Of course what we learned was not enough. Kids were still arguing about how to move the finger and the teachers of course did not really know the answer to that. Further, they did not teach us of the concept of "difference of opinion" so we all thought there was one way to do things. Schools of thought were not mentioned of course they were a "gross innovation" and scholars were rarely, if at all, cited. We were not even taught what is personally obligatory in any of the Islamic sciences. They did not even cite Salafi scholars- given most of the teachers were obviously Salafi leaning. This does not exactly lend to their credibility. Islamic history was also very repetitive and rarely went beyond the period of the first four khalifas.

The graduates of the Islamic schools do not how to assimilate into university life. They rarely did anything outside of the Muslim Student Association (MSA)- if that. Or sometimes they went to other extremes and people could barely tell they were Muslim. In the MSA, the members do not take each other seriously because "they were all friends". They were no professionalism. People during the meetings would talk while the speaker is talking and the guys had a hard time when a female was in leadership.

I'm not saying Islamic schools are bad but they need to be built properly. I'm just about convinced that they can not do much for a child who is in high school, though it is beneficial for younger children. What irks me, really, is that these schools often insist on having all 12 grades. Why not ensure that the foundations of the school are firm before making it into a complete school? Why not just have elementary education then when that is solid, add the following grades rather than doing a shabby job of all 12 years.

What do you guys think? What are your experiences?



1. Jenn said,
February 11, 2006 at 6:07 pm · Edit

I went to public school and I turned out Muslim. I think the situation at home is more important than where they go to school. I can certainly teach my children the basics of Islam if thats all they are covering. Also, I think sending kids to public schools teaches them how to interact in society and not be seperatists. From what I hear Islamic school still has dating, drugs, bad language, immorality, etc. existent. Parents are fools to think otherwise.

I was talking to Chantal Carnes about this issue and she went to an all girls private school and really liked it. She is not a fan of home schooling or Islamic schools. Allahu alim.

2. AP said,
February 11, 2006 at 6:59 pm · Edit

I've been trying to tell people this bit for years.

3. nora said,
February 11, 2006 at 7:46 pm · Edit

i've experienced all three, with the conclusion of, it totally depends on the person. to be in public school you need a strong foundation and background in Islam to be able to pull through; i'm convinced that if our immigrant parents went to public schools with their children for one hour, they would pull their kids out in a snap. same goes for islamic high schools.

I agree with you, islamic schools usually are better for younger kids, to get the basics of Quran, Arabic & Islamic studies down at least. The local islamic school here used to boast about the higher academics and overall "greatness" of their school but they never had any graduates to base this off of. now, only 5 out of 20 graduates have actually accomplished something. everyone else is taking forever to complete their bachelors degree, as well as being rejected from pharmacy/law/med schools.

homeschooling is for certain people who are able to learn from a book and teach themselves. independant learning is something not everyone can achieve..but if achieved, they leave with great and usually accelerated results. Also the parents have to be available 24/7, which is not soemthing most parents these days can do.

usually kids who have been homeschooled/islamic schooled and go to public high school are able to handle it alot better and are at less risk to fall into "the evils" of high school than kids who have been going to public school their wholes lives…and usually they get alot stronger in their islam because they're like, oh this is why alcohol..drugs..premarital sex.. is haram.. and plus theyre questioned about their beliefs and whatnot so its makes them think…unlike islamic schools where girls have no clue why they wear hijab and guys are just well, rebels.

4. talkislam said,
February 12, 2006 at 12:06 am · Edit

wow, i went to islamic school from 3-8 too. what a coincidence, which islamic school did you go to?

yea, its seriously crazy in most islamic school in america. the kids are completely weird, they're in the enviorment of deen and there the way they are, its completely outragous. i dont wanna give a bad name to islamic schools, this is something that should be pointed out and discussed amoung muslims.

i don't know about girls domitories, but the boys islamic school is just a mental home. the kids their are diluted, they'll steal anything you have, especially if your a newcomer, they'll suck your possesions like a mosquito. and you don't even wanna know about how crazy they get when you talk about girls, sheesh, i'm glad i'm outta there. i'm hoping to study in south africa, do dua so that i can. jaza khair

5. Soul Islamican said,
February 12, 2006 at 5:13 am · Edit

Sister, do you know anything about the Turkish schools in America? Some brothers and sisters from the uni that I attend are teachers in the US and other Turkish schools all around the world.

These brothers in the US say to my friends that they almost prefer being a teacher in an African country, say, "Tanzania" to being a teacher in the US because students in America are really with bad morals. These poor Turkish teachers say that their students swear at them at every class!

These teachers are all traditional Hanafi Muslims with great respect for tasawwuf. They follow ustad Fethullah Gulen (see They're really selfless young brothers who postpone marriage and all their life just for the sake of spreading true Islamic morals around the world. May Allah bring their selfless efforts to full fruit and reward them in both worlds. Amin.

6. Aliyah said,
February 12, 2006 at 1:25 pm · Edit

I believe I can give a perspective on this for Islamic schooling in highschool. I went to a public school from 1st to 8th grades, and since the Islamic schools in St. Louis only go to 8th grade, I got into a private college prep highschool. The classes weren't IB, just mostly AP. The education I got there was clearly superior to any I'd had previously or after. And on top of that, physical fitness and art were emphasized, two things that never were at any Islamic school. Then my parents decided to bring us to Florida so we could go to Islamic highschools. My first year at one here, I was forced to retake geometry - I was not offered Algebra 2 - because my peers were only taking geometry. Additionally, I had to retake biology, and remember getting 120%'s on everything without studying. I had a lot of fun though, and really made friends for life, something that I just couldn't seem to do at the private prep school. Being both the "new" person and the only hijabi and being from a lower income family. I couldn't relate to my peers at all. I guess because I couldn't, I didn't even try and was able to keep my identity intact. Then junior year, I was switched to another Islamic highschool, and it was almost the same scenario. They were in a rush to graduate us early so there was no SAT prep or the idea of us going to college outside of USF or anything, and the only type of education they were giving us was to meet standards (i.e. 4 years of english, so we doubled up that year), 4 years of history, so I took an additional class after school where we didn't even read the book, just listened through the conspiracy theories of our teacher, and I took a written test to have me pass through a math course. And in the math class I was taking, because half of the students had to learn at a slower pace, we were sectioned into two groups, and the teacher taught the "slower" group and a student taught us, which really of course turned into goofing off. I wouldn't say that this is any worse than most public schools, because at least we had teachers who cared. So, I will not argue that Islamic school produces dumber people than other schools. It just does not allow adavanced students to meet their potential or prepare them for college adequately (in terms of admission and testing). I think the work and study ethic is strong though, and that is what most adequately prepares students for college. For example, I recall studying more in highschool than I do in college. But that's USF.. and that's a whole other bag of worms. It should be noted though, my husband and brothers went to public schools, and they turned out better than me so . At least in public school systems, when you have a bright child who is eager to succeed, they have programs available to meet that need. Anyway, what a ramble, that's my life story. THanks for listening. The end.

7. Ibraheem Shakfeh said,
February 12, 2006 at 6:23 pm · Edit

I went to the same Islamic School Danya went to and I can testify to the same thing. There was nothing even resembling professionalism. I went to a different school for 7th grade and I was completely unprepaired. That was a small private school so I was able to get away with a lot of things but then I went to a larger public school and I narrowly managed to get out of a world of trouble. I think the irony is that I probably learned more Islam during public school than in Islamic school as the result of two (yes, only two) deen-intensive programs and a suhba. This totals to about 4 months of intensive studying (I took a few classes in here and there too but nothing else worth mention aside from a weekly dars which I'll talk about later). Ideally, you leave an Islamic school at least knowing basic aqeeda, the fard ayns of fiqh, and any necessary tazkiat (this is different from individual to individual). I didnt know proper purification, I knew nothing about aqeeda, and they would never mention tazkiat. God forbid we mention anything that resembles tassawuf! To make a long story short, the Islamic education I received was not worth a tenner, so to speak. And not to speak of all the tuition money.

The "secular" education I could have received in high school (I will concede to having received some pretty decent elementry education) was nothing compared to what I learned in IB. I asked a 9th grader in UAF to write 250 words about his life and he could not. I wrote a 300 word essay in the five minuet passing period to a class (the do date was the due date in IB). You can make any conclusion you want about that. That matters less later on because UAF outsources their high school education to USF anyway. I found that non-UAF freshmen in college are consistently more educated then the UAF graduates. The UAF graduates who are serious about their studies are able to catch up.

And finally there are the notorious disciplinary problems. Everyone knows everyone's dad so no one gets in trouble. This has terrible implications for when they get into the real world. They have no regard for the rules.

8. Ibraheem Shakfeh said,
February 12, 2006 at 6:26 pm · Edit

Edit: I forgot to mention anything about the weekly dars, oh my! I have this great Sheikh who I study jurisprudence with. While I was in UAF and even after it, I didnt know what fiqh was so I just spent weeks of just reading quraan. Reading quraan is a great form of worship but if I tried to receive knowledge, that would have been better. But I didnt know the Islamic ruling on that because I went to an Islamic school.

9. dawood said,
February 13, 2006 at 10:51 pm · Edit

I think it has to do more with the educational content than anything else. A Shaykh here lamented that "the problem of Muslims is that they want to build schools, yet put no effort in to developing a good curriculum to teach inside the walls!". I think he is correct.

This echoes something that Tariq Ramadan mentioned when he was here - that a parallel education system to teach Islam specific things may actually be more beneficial than trying to set up something to rival the state-sponsored school system.

I am tending more towards this approach in my thoughts right now.

10. Asma Um Abdullah said,
February 14, 2006 at 5:30 pm · Edit

This is interesting to read. I always thought that UAF was good but now I see I that thought that because the students were so young when they entered USF. Now looking back a few things start to make sense.

I'm older than you guys and I have a child who will be school age next year. I really dont know what do, looks like I'll be homeschooling at first.

I do think putting a Muslim child in a non-Muslim public middle/highschool seems really risky to me. Of course it depends on the parents but how many kids have knowledgable parents who are as involved as they should be. I think lots of Muslim kids get lost in the Public school system because its extremely hard to be different at the age when you just want to fit in. Especially boys, they seem to be most at risk IMHO. Ultimately I see lots of Muslim kids just assimilating or living dual lives.

Anyway its interesting to see your comments in support of public school for older kids.

11. Danya said,
February 14, 2006 at 8:13 pm · Edit

I just want to clarify a few things about my post:

1. I am not saying that Islamic schools produce bad crop nor am I supporting public school necessarily.

2. Really, the bottom line and my point was that there is no correlation between going to an Islamic school and being religious. This is not because of the concept of Islamic school in and of itself but rather how Muslims are establishing and running the schools.

3. I have nothing against Islamic schools per se, simply how they are being organized and the lack of education- both secular and religious.

4. I want to reiterate that putting the young children in Islamic school can be very beneficial. I think it would be the same for older children if Islamic schools were set up better.

Thank you all for your constructive comments

Um Abdullah: Do I know you by chance?:) Are you from Tampa?

12. Asma Um Abdullah said,
February 14, 2006 at 9:45 pm · Edit


I see your points. Yes most communities don't take Islamic schools seriously and they lack the support they need. I guess ultimately the answer is really in the parenting because Muslim children can survive any environment with highly involved parents. I mean involved in everything from secular education to Islamic education. I think many Muslim parents just think you send them to school and the teachers will take care of everything.

I don't think I've ever met you. . I lived in Tampa, gosh, almost 7 years ago now. During my nomadic college days I attended grad school at USF. Anyway I was there when Ranya, Najia, Jenan etc were there. I guess you were probably in middle school then. Gosh I feel really old now

13. Jenn said,
February 14, 2006 at 10:47 pm · Edit

Maybe you know me! I went to school with those same people. Jenan is only like one year older than me or something.

Am I that old?

14. Danya said,
February 15, 2006 at 1:17 am · Edit

I pretty much know everyone and their mother I know Ranya, Najia, and Jenan.. and their mothers :p

Did you go to the minara program with Shaykh Hamza and Imam Zaid last november?

15. h. ahmed said,
February 15, 2006 at 1:28 am · Edit

i Went to a Public School for my Elementary, Middle, High, Undergraduate, and now Graduate school, and i turned out (relatively) fine

16. Asma Um Abdullah said,
February 16, 2006 at 11:33 am · Edit

Jen: I think I might have left your freshman year. I was only there for a year, I think 1998-1999. Its all a blur. There was a sister named Jennifer, I think, who became Muslim when I was there but she was an engineering major or something and had a twin sister. I don't think thats you.

Danya: I know you griped a little about the USF-MSA but I really liked those sisters and brothers. The sisters definitely helped me to becoming more serious about the deen and were really nice to me. Especially Ranya and the Kurdi family. May Allah bless them.

I did go to a Minara Program but it was here in Houston. I haven't been back to Tampa since I left USF.

17. Danya said,
February 16, 2006 at 11:52 am · Edit

Asma: Oooh, you live in Houston, I thought you were here. I apologize if I offended you about MSA… I don't have a problem with MSA specifically, I have a problem with the way it is run now. Over the past couple of months it has gotten a little better, but for the past 1.5 years , there were issues I guess.. during the Kurdis, the MSA was a lot better.


01.17.06 | Ahmed Bedier Puts up a Blog

Posted in Politics, Islam at 12:06 pm by Danya

As many of you know may know, I am live in Tampa, FL which is often seen as as "hotbed" for many Islamic issues such as the Al-Arian case and the recent "MAS is having a jihad camp" fiasco.

The Muslim American Society (MAS) was going to have a camp here but a blogger, Joe Kauffman (with "Americans Against Hate") decided to blog about how it was a "jihad camp" and now Ahmed Bedier has a blog. If you search his name on google, you'll get a lot of hate stuff but if we all pitch in and link this blog, then when someone searches him or CAIR, more of our points of view will show up.



1. Mujahideen Ryder said,
January 19, 2006 at 7:39 pm · Edit

man u need more sufis where u live to change this image.

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